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You truly don't get it.

If you don't understand how driving to a subject and driving to take a photo of a comp differ then clearly you haven't done much of either.

The subject either 1.  Has a big ass realestate sign in the front yard.  2.  Has clear directions given to you by the owner or contact. or 3. you have the RIGHT to enter the grounds to do your inspection.

For a comp.... You do not have the right to enter the grounds, you must take a photo from either a moving or parked car, you must find the house, navigate the street obstacles, frame the photo from your car, take the photo from your car, make sure the photo isn't blurry from your car, take notes about the comp from your car, all while making sure you are not endangering the public or your self and while making sure the owner isn't aiming his gun at you, calling the cops on you, sicking his dogs on you, etc.  And don't tell me you park in a legally designated area and walk to the house because thats BS.

Taking a comp photo is an extremely dangerous activity.

Seriously.  Take the photo I posted.  That's a pretty representative photo of what you actually see when driving.  I can barely make out the numbers in the photo.  This was the subject in a drive-by that I did.  Drove past the house 3 times trying to find it.  Extremely dangerous.  I do about 5 of these a year.  On the other hand, I use about 3500-4500 comps a year.  Do the math on that to see how much more dangerous comp photography is versus that of the subject.

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Meatloaf...you'd have to look for it. Even if they give you directions.  Even looking for RE signs...which doesn't apply to Refis, btw. You said yourself, the above was the subject, not a comp!  See...Gotta take your eyes off the road. Bad!!!  ILLEGAL!!!  Looks like you're stuck with desktops, Meat.  We'll have to deport you as an Illegal Meatloaf.  

Oh, and if you choose to not park legally and put yourself and others in danger, make no mistake...that's YOUR choice!

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This house was is located on a corner lot, the curb cut is not on the same street as the address indicates...I had to get out of my vehicle in order to confirm the street number... missing numbers and this situation is not uncommon...

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Sooooo.... Just a question.   MEP, did you feel a bit distracted trying to look for the address from your car?  Was your attention focused 100% on your driving?  Were you able to find a legal parking spot?
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Sooooo.... Just a question.   MEP, did you feel a bit distracted trying to look for the address from your car?  Was your attention focused 100% on your driving?  Were you able to find a legal parking spot?

If that's typical residential street, see that curb...pull over and park next to it just beyond the mailbox.  It's a legal parking spot. 


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If that's typical residential street, see that curb...pull over and park next to it just beyond the mailbox.  It's a legal parking spot. 



Can you show me the laws that says it is legal to stop in the middle of the road and park your car?

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Can you show me the laws that says it is legal to stop in the middle of the road and park your car?


No he can't, because it is against the law.  The "street" is not a legal place to park (for good reasons / Emergency Vehicles). 
If it is a legal spot to park, they will have nice little parking signs or parking line painted.
He knows we are right, but wants to pretend he can out smart the law.
The law always trumps rules, clients, AMCs, requirements, request, USPAP, or any appraisal stipulations.

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Bill... Just because you probably won't get a ticket doesn't make it legal.

People drive around all the time with broken tail lights.  Its illegal.  Most folks never get cited.  What if your client said you have to drive around with one tail light?  They would be requesting you do something illegal.... Although you would probably be OK, would you suggest that appraisers just do what the client says because if you can't drive around safely with one tail light you shouldn't be driving?



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Can you show me the laws that says it is legal to stop in the middle of the road and park your car?

Amazing.  I post "see that curb...pull over and park next to it" and you see "stop in the middle of the road and park your car"  [rofl] [rofl] [rofl]

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Residential streets have enough width so that you can park on both sides of the street and still allow cars (6' wide) to pass through.  If there is not enough room for that then don't stop where there is a car parked on the other side of the street.  Real simple except for the real simple.
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OK.  I parked by the curb today.  The mailman drove up to the front of my car and rather than driving around me... proceeded to honk the horn.  no joke.  There was plenty of room for him to just drive around... but his point was that i was blocking traffic    
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I am beginning to consider the option that Bill and Meatloaf are in a Bromance.



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OK.  I parked by the curb today.  The mailman drove up to the front of my car and rather than driving around me... proceeded to honk the horn.  no joke.  There was plenty of room for him to just drive around... but his point was that i was blocking traffic    
I guess you missed the other part where I said to park "beyond the mailbox".  I'd honk, too if you blocked the mailbox.  Now if you didn't block the mailbox, then tell the lazy bastard to go pound sand.  He'd probably honk at you if you were driving slower than him on a 4 lane road.

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Bill... Just because you probably won't get a ticket doesn't make it legal.

No, you won't get a ticket because stopping along side the curb on a typical residential street is legal, unless it's posted, by a fire hydrant, etc.

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I wasn't parked in front of the mailbox.  I was parked about halfway between the subject's mailbox and the neighbor's mailbox.  I saw the mailman coming.  I knew that he could get to the mailbox, but it would require him to back up after inserting the mail, drive around me and approach the next mailbox so carefully he would probably have to back up to insert the mail into that box.  I wanted to see how they would navigate the fact that I was sitting in my car "legally" parked.  I wanted to see if he would just get out of his car to deliver the mail, skip the house all together or dance his mail car around mine.

His solution was to sit there and honk the horn.  I didn't move.  He honked again.  I didn't move because I am "legally" parked.  He sat there for 8 freaking minutes until I was done entering data into my ipad.  

I know I was being an ass hole.  But I wanted to see how easy it is to be BillDing for a while.  Glad this sucker didn't go postal on me.



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Residential streets have enough width so that you can park on both sides of the street and still allow cars (6' wide) to pass through.  If there is not enough room for that then don't stop where there is a car parked on the other side of the street.  Real simple except for the real simple.


Wrong. You do realize YOU just made this up.

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No, you won't get a ticket because stopping along side the curb on a typical residential street is legal, unless it's posted, by a fire hydrant, etc.


Show me the law.

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Yep, Just made it up.  


Wonder why they have parking lanes?  You can just park on the side of any road and just make traffic flow around you.



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I think the main problem here is the inflexibility of the comp photo requirement in general.  In some parts of Atlanta it is very dangerous to take comp photos due to the part of town you are in and the fact that most mailboxes don't have addresses and so you are trying to look at the photo in the fmls and look at the houses all while you are driving and hope that some drug dealer doesn't follow you for taking photos of their house. This is just a real problem for your safety in many different ways.

Now, if you have a townhouse where all the comps are inside the development and well marked with addresses, then this is no problem because there is not alot of traffic, the addresses are well marked and this is easy to do.

The problem comes that lender's (unless it is a gated community) are not flexible when it comes to this requirement of taking comp photos and this is where I think there is a problem.  There should be some flexibility due to the situation you are in and they don't care if you get shot, get in a wreck, or whatever, they just want you to take that comp photo no matter  WHAT and I think THAT is the problem overall.
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I think the main problem here is the inflexibility of the comp photo requirement in general.  In some parts of Atlanta it is very dangerous to take comp photos due to the part of town you are in and the fact that most mailboxes don't have addresses and so you are trying to look at the photo in the fmls and look at the houses all while you are driving and hope that some drug dealer doesn't follow you for taking photos of their house. This is just a real problem for your safety in many different ways.

Now, if you have a townhouse where all the comps are inside the development and well marked with addresses, then this is no problem because there is not alot of traffic, the addresses are well marked and this is easy to do.

The problem comes that lender's (unless it is a gated community) are not flexible when it comes to this requirement of taking comp photos and this is where I think there is a problem.  There should be some flexibility due to the situation you are in and they don't care if you get shot, get in a wreck, or whatever, they just want you to take that comp photo no matter  WHAT and I think THAT is the problem overall.


I agree.  This is where you inform them that if you can legally and safely take the photo... you do it.  And if you can't, you have provided the best file photo available.

I have been doing this for years with no push back.  I put a little star in the bottom right corner of my original photos and nothing in the other photos.  I have a comment that my original photos have a little star on them.

LRES said if I couldn't get a picture of the house legally or safely then I was to go back out and take a picture of the street sign to PROVE I drove down the street.  Thats senseless so I don't work for LRES anymore.  

I have a quote of the Georgia safe driving law and some statistics about distracted driving.



The ones I really like are the ones that say if you can't visibly see the house, take a picture of the mailbox to prove you drove by.  If I am using a comp, I will know if I can see it or not from the street before I ever leave my office.  What sense does it make to travel to a house you know you can't see to take a picture of a mailbox?  Likewise, if I know a house is in a gated community, why do I need to go take a picture of the gate?

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Show me the law.
  Show me the law where it is illegal. 

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Yep, Just made it up.  


Wonder why they have parking lanes?  You can just park on the side of any road and just make traffic flow around you.

It is a parking lane if traffic can get by you & it is not marked no parking.

Here's a read for you

http://www.georgiapacking.org/threads/street-parking-in-neighborhoods.235916/



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Thats nice.  So you find some random dude on a forum for "packers" that complains about the DANGER of his neighbor parking in the street and is too much of a pussy to confront the guy directly.  So, like a typical wuss he goes onto an internet forum that has NOTHING to do with trafffic, laws, or safety and asks can he get the popo to go ask his neighbor to remove his car.

Maybe he would have been better off to call a lawyer.  The popo said he couldn't do anything because there isnt' a no-parking sign.  WEll... There isn't a no parking sign in the middle lane of I-75 either.  

Find something more credible... But nice try though.  BTW.. That dude is a pussy, but he is right about the danger of someone parking in the street.

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If it is illegal, show me the law that says you can't pull over against the curb on a typical ~30' wide residential street.
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You show me where it is legal to drive distracted.
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Curb parking space means a twenty-four-foot-long section of street, adjacent to the curb or edge or roadway, where a motor vehicle may lawfully park.


No curb parking space.... no lawful parking space.



Sec. 17-137. - Parking not to obstruct traffic.
 
 

No person shall park any vehicle upon a street in such manner or under such conditions as to leave available less than ten (10) feet of the width of the roadway for free movement of vehicular traffic.

Notice it says the FREE MOVEMENT OF VEHICULAR TRAFFIC!!!!!

How can you have FREE MOVEMENT OF VEHICULAR TRAFFIC if BILLDING has parked his ass in the middle of the road.


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You show me where it is legal to drive distracted.

Wow...we're talking about parking and you jump to distracted driving.  You're OCD you probably don't, I love the color green.

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Curb parking space means a twenty-four-foot-long section of street, adjacent to the curb or edge or roadway, where a motor vehicle may lawfully park.


No curb parking space.... no lawful parking space.



Sec. 17-137. - Parking not to obstruct traffic.
 
 

No person shall park any vehicle upon a street in such manner or under such conditions as to leave available less than ten (10) feet of the width of the roadway for free movement of vehicular traffic.

Notice it says the FREE MOVEMENT OF VEHICULAR TRAFFIC!!!!!

How can you have FREE MOVEMENT OF VEHICULAR TRAFFIC if BILLDING has parked his ass in the middle of the road.


There you go again with "parked his ass in the middle of the road"  lol.  Pay attention mr deficit. Pull over to the curb.  There will be more than ten feet of the width of the roadway for free movement of vehicular traffic in the road beside you.


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It is a parking lane if traffic can get by you & it is not marked no parking.

Here's a read for you

http://www.georgiapacking.org/threads/street-parking-in-neighborhoods.235916/




You are quoting a forum as a source for the law? [crazy] 
We post the law every time this topic comes up.  You post nothing, but a lone voice in a random forum.

You are an appraiser, you know what kind of verification is correct.  And it ain't "he/she said so..."  I don't care who they are.  Show the law!

Just consider your family is in need of immediate medical assistance.  Do you want responders to be dealing with this????

Take note of the "obstruction".  Now go visit the law Meatloaf posted.

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There you go again with "parked his ass in the middle of the road"  lol.  Pay attention mr deficit. Pull over to the curb.  There will be more than ten feet of the width of the roadway for free movement of vehicular traffic in the road beside you.



That is speculative because every street is different.  Not a valid argument.

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The average residential street is close to ~30' wide.   Not rocket science.  If they can't get around you, don't stop there.
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Having nothing to do with an appraisal, I drove down a residential street today.  Cars parked on both sides of the street.  Met a police car coming my direction.  There was a car behind me and two cars behind the police car.

10 minutes later after everyone backed up and found a driveway to pull into, the traffic jam was cleared.

Probably doesn't happen often.  Have no idea what the officer was doing.  Maybe he was looking to cite some of the traffic blockers.....

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Have no idea what the officer was doing.  Maybe he was looking to cite some of the traffic blockers.....

If that were the case, he wouldn't be in the car.   [wink]

I guess you've never been in a traffic jam.  5 lanes each way and no one can move in any lane.  According to you, the city could make their ticket quota in one morning handing out all those tickets to those illegal traffic blockers, lol.


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If that were the case, he wouldn't be in the car.   [wink]

I guess you've never been in a traffic jam.  5 lanes each way and no one can move in any lane.  According to you, the city could make their ticket quota in one morning handing out all those tickets to those illegal traffic blockers, lol.



So... What you are saying is that its OK to incite a traffic jam?  I think that may be illegal too.  Just ask Chris Christie.

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No, not saying that at all. Traffic jams happen.  Technically, the car that stop in the middle of street are impeding traffic, not the cars legally parked on the side.
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No, not saying that at all. Traffic jams happen.  Technically, the car that stop in the middle of street are impeding traffic, not the cars legally parked on the side.


So.... In my case where cars were "legally" parked on the side which forced traffic to share one lane causing a "traffic jam" was MY fault? or the Police Officer's fault?  I am confused...



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It's a traffic jam.  No one is at fault unless they do something illegal to cause it.
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Every traffic jam has a cause.

In my example... What caused the traffic jam?  Right.  The cars parked along the side of the street.  If there were 10 feet of free space left over in the lane of travel, there would be no problem.  Problem is... There isn't 10feet of free space left over when someone parks on the curb.

So... Do you think this is safe?



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Most low traffic residential streets are ~30' wide.  Cars are 6' wide.  Let's see...6'+6'=12'.  30'-12'=18'

If there was only 10' of space between the parked cars...you were driving down an alley, or the drivers parked 4' away from the curb. [eek]


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Wonder what they mean by minimum UNOBSTRUCTED width of 26 feet?

By the way.... Most streets are about 26 feet wide.  A ford f150 is 86" wide.  If you park it 12 inches from the curb, thats 98 inches.  Double that and you have more than 16 feet.

26-16= 10'

An ambulance is 96" wide.  Thats a 1 foot clearance on both sides of an ambulance..... OHHH Snap... Wait a minute... 86/12=7.2

7.2 plus a foot = 8.2

8.2 x 2 = 16.4

26-16.4 = 9.6

9.6-8 = 1.6

1.6/2 = .8'

0.8' = 9.6 inches

Thats less than 10 inches on either side of the ambulance.  Sound safe to you????

Lets put this into perspective.  If you were standing beside one of the f150's your toes would hurt but your dick would be safe.

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You can put it into any perspective you want.  Bottom line is: it's legal.
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